Inside the Mind of a Psychic Medium: an in-depth conversation with Jennifer Shaffer

There are some conversations that stay with you, and this is one of them.

In this episode, I sit down with psychic medium Jennifer Shaffer to explore something I’ve always been deeply curious about: intuition, energy, and what exists beyond what we can see. We talk about when she first realized she had this gift, what it actually feels like to “tap in,” and how she’s learned to live with something that most of us don’t fully understand.

We also get into her upbringing in a religious household, how that shaped (and challenged) her understanding of her abilities, and whether her work today has deepened her sense of spirituality.

Jennifer shares what it’s like working on real cases, connecting with those who have passed, and what those experiences have taught her about how we should be living. We talk about grief, connection, and the idea that maybe we’re not as disconnected as we think.

And of course, I ask the questions we’re all thinking: about the afterlife, intuition, and what it really means to be open to something more.

This conversation left me thinking about how much we don’t know… and maybe how much we already feel, if we’re willing to listen.

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Welcome to the second episode of Word. I'm Tanya Monahan, and this is where we delve into real conversations with real people. And today's conversation explores intuition, energy, and what exists beyond what we see. And I'm joined today by Jennifer Schaeffer, an intuitive medium who uh is really well known for helping people with healing and clarity and connection. And um I have been so lucky to have experienced Jennifer's gifts firsthand. And in fact, the first time we met was the night before my first episode. Thank you so much for having me. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much for having me. I love our community. Well, well, thank you for being on here. I'm I have been so excited for this one. And I shared it that you're coming on here with numerous people, and everyone, this is this one's gonna be so amazing because everyone is so excited to just like learn more about what you do and I think about the person who you are, because I think when people go to these things, you know, it's for them and it's connection. But I just think you're such an incredible person. And you know, there's so much more that you do. I mean, you're an author, you're you're you've got you do so many things, which we'll get into. But I I have been just so, so personally like excited for this one. And um, yeah, it was really funny because the first before my first episode, um, it was the night before my first episode, and I was feeling very nervous and anxious. And I sat down with you, and it was just one of those things, it wasn't planned, you know. I that wasn't, I didn't even know you were gonna be there. And um I just have to thank you because I was so incredibly nervous because you know, my first episode was um, I really have to hold space for someone that the content. Yes, I call it challenging content. Challenging content. And of course, Tanya, like first one out the gate, like to use the thought. But you know, it just had touched my heart so much, especially that I had, you know, I have a son, um, bronze age. So the first episode was with Jennifer Levy, and um that was such an important episode that it was. It's so important, and that's what you said to me. So and you just gave me the grounding and the confidence I needed to go into that. And and I don't know where it came from because even before and when I would be talking to my husband, I just start crying and I was like, I can't do this in the episode. You know, it needs to be for her, I can't fall apart. And and it was miraculous because I'm a highly emotional person. And like, uh, anyways, I I I really feel like you gave me what I needed to get through that episode, and I'm so so grateful. And yeah, I mean, a whole nother episode, but there were some weird connections, yeah, watching. Well, and there was a weird connection that came up in that reading because you were just read for Mia and her best friend. It was just so bizarre. It always happens like that. It always happens like that.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

It was so bizarre, and then and then he had an effect on me. I never met him, I never knew Jen. And it was the day that I mean, can I go a little bit? So I went to go up, my husband and I went to go see my daughter at Cal Poly, and she's in charge of the um, she was she's in charge of a card in the composites for a Baja card. So building a car, yeah, and they race all over the country. And I don't think we have the Cal Poly. So we went up there and at 10 a.m. in the morning on Saturday, all of a sudden I was starting to feel I'm like, someone died, and I looked at my husband, like, someone's gone, someone's gone. And I actually felt it could have been my son at the time. And so he's like, just call him. Oh my son's like, what are you doing? When you come up, like just check it in, you know. And um, I'm like, and I wouldn't go away that even after that, it wouldn't go away. I'm like, someone I'm connected to someone that has passed, and it is tragic. And I was looking at the car and I'm like, is this the last time I see Blake? I go through all these things because I always felt my world is very challenging. It's very my worlds are very challenging. And so it didn't go away, and then my friends started calling because everybody knew Braun. I'm connected to everyone that knew him and even though I didn't, you know, and so it was just a very interesting, and that's happened to me maybe two other times, and where I'm like, someone passed away, and I couldn't figure out where it was, but everyone found out about the same time, but my like to fill that and just it just it affected me and Brian has helped so many people.

SPEAKER_04 5:08

Oh my gosh, I know so many people. I know it's really interesting you say that because I have another friend that has the gift, and um, she also didn't know him, and she shared with me that he has come through, and she she didn't know him, and he has come through, and she's he's one of like her spirit guys. And I was just like that that's it's he's like that. Incredible, and and and that was what came through in in that sit-down with Jen, is just he was so special. There was something about him energetically that transcended all ages, just and there's no way you can be like not every spirit is like that.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

And for him, there's a few of them that become one hand where they are my team, and he's one of them. Where like you need to help this, I need you to help me with this missing person case or this murder case or whatever. He's he is around, and it's he is very profound, and I know how much he's helping over on the other side, just like he did here. And then, you know, I feel like I know him even though I don't. But how did you make me cry within the first two?

SPEAKER_04 6:18

I know something wrong with you. Well, that's brawn. I mean, I know I agree. Like I I also there have been so many incidences like of like I would say two degrees of separation, you know, with with him and everybody. It's he was a remarkable human being. And I and what's wonderful is I mean, and through Jen's work, she's doing amazing. I mean, there's so much more that she's done since our podcast, so I'll circle back on that.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

But that really helped everybody understand it too. You really brought that. I didn't know, you really brought that to the forefront. So thanks. Everybody has to watch that one. Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 6:53

Well, I have I have so many questions for you, but I just thought it would be good for you to kind of introduce yourself to you know, to the audience and to to the listeners, because I don't think anyone can actually specifically put into words at what you do, and it doesn't have to be a bit, but just to to you know describe what you do.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

So there's a couple ways that I describe well, first of all, my friends call me Dart Valicious because in that moment, if you get to know me, um my daughter calls me a ghost on a leash. We were in Paris, and I was looking at my iPhone, still going the wrong way, and my daughter's really, really bright. She's an aerospace engineer at Cal Poly Scott, and she's she's a whole other animal. But she's like, Mom, you're going, you're looking at your phone, you're going the wrong way. And I'm I looked at her. She goes, You're a ghost on a leash. And I'm like, I didn't even make that into a t-shirt. I'm like, that pretty much describes me. I'm I'm tethered here, but I'm just you know, but I think there's a couple of things that I'm very passionate about. I'm very passionate about helping women understand the powers that they have. And we're not talking hierarchy. There, in fact, the more that I know, the less that I know, and the more that I understand that statement. The universe is vast. But for anyone to think they know, I mean, I knew I knew more 10 years ago. I can't believe how ignorant I was about what I thought I knew. And I'm just to live like there's six emotions that they've studied that help you bring down your walls and help your nervous system and your endological system, everything. Um, and you know, a lot of people think it's grateful. Being grateful in the state of gratitude is yes, amazing. You know, being happy, joyful, but the biggest one is awe. The biggest line that they studied was awe. That because you become immersed, and there's that awe factor, the God factor, don't get caught up with semantics, whatever you want to call it, the universe, there is something out there that we are all connected to. And so when people ask me what do I do, I spend my life every minute that I can being connected. Everyone is connected, they just don't know that they are, and so I put people's awareness to where they're already connected. That's all I did with you. Yeah, really all I did. And so if women, because we need us to be together, we need more of us to work together, we need more of us to you know, champion each other. There's no competition, there's no, you know, the competition you should have is with yourself, and that's what I do. I'm like, what can you do better? What can you do stronger? And but that's what I'm passionate about, but I'm really good at finding dead bodies, and I'm really good at working with law enforcement. And I mean, that's just really fast for me. Yeah, and that took a long that was what I started with, and then I developed into my private practice, and now I'm doing events all over the world, which I love. I get to go to Booker Burton and do uh to wine spirit. I get to go to Formula One with one of my best friends, I get to go to New York for a week and see my clients there and do a couple events there. That's really the fun because I thought, what can I do to hedge all these workers and hobbies, the cartel and working with the FBI and like I kind of like wine.

SPEAKER_04 10:37

So that was literally just like a reaction to like just the darkness that you have to do. And so my happiness and so white.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

I thought, oh, that's so fun. Um, and I, you know, Kathy Knoll, who owns um court, I've been there for like 10 years, doing events twice a month. Amazing.

SPEAKER_04 10:56

And people, you have to, you have to experience this. Um because I did it. It's so different. And that was um, and again, just again, serendipitously or not. I mean, just time-wise, you know, I just lost someone that was, you know, I was very close to at one point in my life, and and I was really having trouble with the closure of it. And again, like you just you really helped me that. I was, I was just I went sideways for, and I haven't even talked to this person for so long.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Like, it was just it really improved my world. So, this is another thing that that's very interesting to me. It doesn't matter, time only exists here, and from what I've learned that could change later, but I'm jumping in and out of time constantly. So things that happened 10 years ago feel like it happened yesterday. There is if you if you look at there's not if you look more when you're more connected, you're not gonna establish time here. It's gonna feel and when you have that, you have what's called improvements, improvements. So it doesn't feel there's nothing tangible. And so when you have a loss, it feels like everything's up for grabs. Okay, it's like we're my kids, I go through all my checks, I go through my panic attacks, you know, that I deal with occasionally. But sorry, it's that that's easy. I'm very lucky. I have trained myself to get in and get out, and doing the wine and spirits, I'll read 35, sometimes 40 people in a night. Yeah. And one will be a murder. One will be your father's not your father. The other one will be, I mean, everything comes out.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

I've seen it. I have seen it.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

And that's that's why they're doing a show on it. I think it's hysterical. They love Manhattan Beach, they love the South Bay, they're super excited. Fox Studios is super excited about that. And Jessica Alba is best friend. Yeah, so amazing. I'll be right with her back east. Yeah, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

She's an amazing person. She is, she's well, I don't know her person, but she comes off very like kind and good person.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

She's so kind and like it's so fun to see her soar, like literally, the female astronaut that's anonymous right now. I'm sorry, I can't remember her name. I have to know names, but I'm not there. Super fun being me. Join the glove. But she asked for honest hand cream. She's like, where is it? And on to the and I'm like, think of all the dreams. I, you know, she was a sock and just fan. Like, think about all the dreams that had to map and you wanted better products for your daughter. You dreamed big and you got there. She wanted to go on a rocket to move. She got there. Like all the dreams that had to like, and the girls that made the rockets, like my daughter, that's gonna be working. Yeah, like all the things that had to play out in order for that special moment to happen. It's a little girl's dream, like dream bigger.

SPEAKER_04 13:53

It was just so I was so do you know that they actually filmed an honest marshal in my house. Like I would not have it five years ago, and it's just funny. And it was supposed to be left me all of her products too, which was which was done. She was amazing. But you know, when you were talking about time, um, what I thought about was just funny because you brought up the astronauts. So I don't know if you saw, but did you see the footage of the astronauts they went up?

SPEAKER_03 14:19

And what he said about how did he also come back from Katholisloft? Yes, he graduated from Kathleen Slot.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

I love what he said. He's like, Oh my god, we're on a spaceship here. This is our spaceship.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

Tree to wall, tree to climb, just we're all connected, like all connected the fact that we don't freaking.

SPEAKER_04 14:39

It doesn't matter. Creep, like creep doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

It's just like what and and he's like, there's just something that happens, and you know, there's that whole when you zoom out and like how they are able to see that, and and it's just so mind-blowing, and then you just feel so small, and you know, yeah, and then you just realize you're just you're this this part of this universe, God, whatever. We are we are so lucky, and if we start using more of our intentions, like when I go to the beach, the water is my is my church. And you told me to do that. I am down at the water every day. I try to make it every single day, and I ask permission, I'm like, can I come see you? And I will get the most amazing, like the first time I asked that question, I got this overwhelming feeling like you are you've always been welcome. And then I saw myself with all these different beaches, like one like beaches I've never been to, like one in Scotland, one in and I'm like, whether you in past lives, it doesn't even matter. I can't believe this is it, but I had felt such a love that it was just so fascinating to me. Like it made my rhyme so much better, just being that connected. It was just so cool. And if you start asking questions, you'll feel even more connected. And they took like, and I'm like, so what can I do for you? And they're like, just give us everything, all the things that you are carrying. And I sat there and I was just like, that it was it's not something I'm thinking. And I, of course, have had lots of real practice about getting out of my own way. Like the only difference between me and somebody else is that when they ask somebody on the phone, for instance, like, oh, so how's that guy that you're dating? And they're like, oh, he's amazing, and you're like, Oh, this doesn't feel good. I know I'm being given that information, I'm not thinking it. Whereas you might be thinking it. Right. But we're given so much that people think that they're your own thoughts that they're not.

SPEAKER_04 16:50

So, and and for you personally, when did you first know that you had the gift?

SPEAKER_02 16:56

So I didn't, I mean, I knew all my boyfriend's passcodes without them telling you. With oh no, yeah. And my friends would say, Do you know you're psychic? And I'm like, stop it. I don't even know how to spell the word. It was so annoying. I had such a huge like a look to it, which was interesting. But one of my first memories, because you go back like, oh wow, I've always seen spirits floating around since I was little. Okay, so for you, it's it's visual. You see visual, feeling, hearing, seeing. So it's all of it. All of it. All of it. It's just different languages. Wow, more like it's all around. All of them. Wow. Yeah. And so um we were, I was raised very Mormon, very religious family, and there's a Mormon family across the street from where I lived, and I refused to go over there. And they couldn't, the parents couldn't have been nicer. Anyway, that lost a job, they'd they'd be the first ones to offer food and to help them out. And but there was something about one of their sons that I'm just thinking, no, I was eight years old, I think, or eight or twelve. I'm not sure. I just was like, there's no way my parents were like, you, I'm like, I won't go over there. I had this sick, sick feeling. Oh my gosh. 29 years later, that boy killed five people execution style. One of them got away in Texas. So this was Dennis Dan Marcos, and he knew everybody that was involved, knew the families, knew, and he's in prison right now. You knew the families, the people that got everyone, everyone involved because they were part of our church. He ended up marrying somebody, she left him, he went to go find her and killed her sister. And the yeah, so end up and take it down, yeah. But that was one of my earliest. So I think my intuition has kept me alive in a lot of ways, even without understanding it. But that was my first childhood memories. Um, and then throughout school, like if somebody was behind me, and I'm trying to help parents with children that are very empathic, because I thought about death my whole, like all throughout school. And I have no reason to think about that. I came from a loving, kind family. I had nothing bad happen to me. I was captain of this, did this, whatever it was, um, nothing, which made it worse because I had no reason to be depressed. But if somebody sat behind me was gotten a huge fight with their parents, I would think they didn't like me because I didn't feel all of it. And then because of that, because thinking about death, when you think about like so if a kid has um is really good at soccer, you get a soccer coach, you don't have no soccer team. If they if they're really good at dancing, you get put them into dance. Well, if they think about death, what do you do? You send them their shrink, right? Yeah, or you just you you don't know what to do. But by they were trying to show me a bench videos and be working with the other side, not to be over there, but to be working in some some capacity with them. But then there was no death school to go to.

SPEAKER_04 19:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

Right? Yeah, and so it was very, it was a very interesting way to live. Like my parents couldn't understand it, but I mean, I had no idea that I was gonna be doing this later. I was a stockbroker for 10 years, yes, because a million dollars.

SPEAKER_04 20:05

That's what I yeah. So if you so it seems to me, so you're raising like a religious upbringing, ran away from that, ran away from that. You've always kind of had this like very deep-seated intuition, but you didn't realize how like the breadth of it. No, and and so how do you exercise those muscles like to be what you are now? Like to where you know, spirits are coming, because were spirits coming in when you were younger. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Oh yeah, but I didn't know. Um I didn't know because there's so I asked for blasts about every six months, and I was the only child out of seven, seven children, six, seven brothers and sisters who I love. Um, seven children, and I was the only one that didn't have contacts or glasses. I had 2020 vision. My mom's like, and back then it was $40. We're talking that was a lot of money. $40. It was that was like a paid chat. Um, no, but it was just funny. And she's like, Jennifer, your eyes were fine, because things would be floating around, and I couldn't understand it. I'm like, mom, I don't understand why these things are floating around. And they would stare at me. I couldn't take naps, I couldn't like it. It was just awful. But do you see them with your eyes open or eyes open and closed? And so if there was a hall light, yeah, and this is another thing for parents, don't put the hall light on because then if your kids do see it, which they usually do before they're eight years old, it looks dark. Um so it looks it looks like dark things. And then if you're raised religiously, you think it's the death, you think it's all these other things. So very dark, but it's not, it's just spirits. I could see the other world. And to this day, I have to have a projector every night to pick the buttons. Yeah, poor husband. He's just like, Thank God, he could sleep. Or the stars in the universe are above, because then I don't see all this stuff in between, because that can paralyze you. Really? Oh, yeah. You literally have a projector. I literally have a projector that kids usually use that I sleep with I've been seeing all night, every night, because they see so much. Put my hand up, I can't see it. There's also books out that on plasma now that they're studying that has to do with the other world, it also has to do with all of the connections that we have. It's a whole different story. But um, back to your question. I have a natural ability because I had seizures as a little kid, according to the brain studies that they've done on me. And so I had these seizures that were the these larynx strider seizures at three and a half months old. And my mom would race me in. I would turn black and blue, and back then there was no phones, there was no nothing. She would race me in, and I was done before they would get me in. And I'm just like, your valid looks fine. Finally, it lasted long enough, and there was a British doctor on staff. And he says, I've seen this before. It was the eighth documented case. I thought I'm gonna be eighth order in the world. Love that. Love that. Um, and he gave me belladonnet, which is a leucigenic and a poison. Oh three and a half months old. So my mom had to give it to me. She gave it too much, I would die. If she didn't give it to me, I they thought I would die.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

And they believed that was the gateway. So that became me, you know, if I was to play basketball, I would be 75. And so that so they believed that was what basically fried up my brain, and then added psychedelics to, you know, there's a reason why I like psychedelics, but it's so interesting. Yeah, yeah. And so that's but also just like that, just opened up that just opened up everything. And there are several things that happened throughout my life that brought like I got I was a professional triathlete. I did a header going 17 miles an hour in a tech position, went up on my butt, didn't hurt because I wanted to shock, but cracked eight bones. They just did another great in your face, yes, in my face. Oh and um not another part of my body was touched, and I it's up, but I didn't feel a fake. Um, but I had to quit being a stopper. I mean, not stopper, being a professional triathlete. It was just it my whole life, it was just a crazy thing. But it also gave me enough. I met my husband a month later. I ended up getting enough body fat on me that because I was told I couldn't have children, that then I was able to have children. So all of it, you know, God's like, here, let's go. But they said that I have no, you know, there's no brain trauma because there's the other thing that they believe is that when you're doing this work, when you're in tune and prayer and going inward and meditation, and they've done studies on it. Um, how you can heal yourself. So they believe I've healed myself by doing this work. Wow. I also meditate every day. And when you're talking about Artemis, when you're talking about the captain that said those beautiful words about us being all connected, there is something so spectacular when you meditate to being connected to that. And it doesn't matter, like so doctor. I worked with Dr. Jonas Benzek has also studied my brain, but he has thousands of others. And it doesn't matter what race, it doesn't matter what you eat, what you drink, whether you're vegan or not, everybody gets the same results. And you can truly help heal yourself. It's not like giving up Western medicine, but by doing that, everybody has a capability that we have forgotten that we have.

SPEAKER_04 25:17

Right. Well, there's all these studies coming out now that you like it's better than supplements if you just talk to your body and love your body. Love your body, and you say, you know, you're if you're like you're you're doing great, you're strong, you're healing. Because I have frozen shoulder right now. I'm like trying to talk to my shoulder. Yeah, look at us.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Look at us, let's look at us going to PT. Look at us. I started doing that two years ago, and I'm telling you, like women that don't love their boobs, things go wrong. Your body computes everything, everything you tell it about yourself and about others. So something interesting too. Oh, I'm less interesting. Yes. So I would go, I when I go to the beach, you know, I saw this person that was really, really overweight. And so I think in my mind, I'm like, oh my gosh, that's heart disease. That's because I do medical readings as well. And so I'm like, I love all bodies. So now every time I feel like I'm gonna have a judgment, I'm like, I love all bodies. I love all bodies. I love all bodies because if you judge that, it's a direct, it's a mirror that hits you right back. That's so interesting. I wish everyone would get on that band. You just love all bodies by loving all bodies. You love yourself, you love your body. And even if you have issues with it, the more you talk to, the more you're like, look at us. Because I realized I was I would sit there, you know, I'm looking at the beach, right? Which is just down the street. And then I realized I'm like, you're like a puppy dog, you want to go out and play. You want to go out and play? Like I start, I talk to myself anyway. It looks like I'm talking to myself into goodness for headphones because I do too.

SPEAKER_04 26:57

It's I uh and you actually, you in our initial meeting, you told me that you were like, you need to go, because I I'm also in I I hold stuff and I'm having lots of health issues. And you said, Tanya, you need to go to the water, you need to come up with like a month or something, whatever you believe in, and like love that because and it and honestly, I've been I am so much happier. Even my husband said, like, you are so much lighter and happier. And um it really is. And I I need to get back into like the meditating daily. I was I used to be very, very good at that.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Do it for so don't think of it as like you need an hour, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:38

No, no, I have I'll do it for 15 minutes. My husband does it 20 minutes twice a day and has done it every day for like 10 years. He's amazing. He's working through so disciplined, and that's why he's also like never stressed. He's like always like, you know, versus my husband here's listening to politics. Well gosh, well, then then that's me.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

I like we don't need both of us being depressed about that. I know. And that so another thing that came through the other day for me was Jennifer, if you were to push the wars, the murders, the cases, everything aside, what does your life look like? I'm like, oh, I have the best life ever. I have the best life ever. I have two kids that are healthy. I have a family that I love, friends that I love deeply, people that I love this community. Um I'm like, I have the best life. And I'm like, focus on that. You know, we come in here locked and loaded with guides. We come in here locked and loaded with the support team that wants to make sure that whether we know or acknowledge that or not, wants to help us. Angels, you know, there's there is something about even dragons being like there's a whole universe that's separate for that's not separate, but we've made separate that we can bring in that energy.

SPEAKER_04 28:59

Right. Yeah, I I because I go down that because I'm also just like I'm very like justice and like so I've got like past generational trauma, you know, I'm Armenian. I've there's so many things, and then I came from South Africa, and we, you know, it's like a part time. So it's like I've seen this movie before. So for me, there's something deep inside me that I'm just like, and that's why I'm very like vocal and like we did that March, you know. Um me and two of my friends, Louisa and Megan. Um but it it's hard to turn that off.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

So I had to make it, I had to learn years ago. And I'm saying this to maybe help some people. I wanted to be the best at what I could do. And the only way I could do that is by not bringing it home. And there was something that really, really shot me to the heart was when I first started off that there was a somebody called me that was in the entertainment industry, and I'm like, my daughter's in the bathroom, she wants to kill herself, and we'll put the phone underneath, put the phone underneath, and like, listen, you are thinking about death because you'll be working with it eventually. I think that you'll be doing forensics, and of course she did 10 years away if she's in forensics. Yes. Um, I'm but I told her said, and at the time she goes, Why is my why why is my life not worth anything? I'm like, No, no, no, no, no. It is. You're just thinking about death because there's no death school. I will help you, but you're not gonna leave. I'm like, if you leave, I will never speak to you. I will never talk to you in spirit. Your mom's gonna be a mess. You do not want that on you. You'll have to come back over and do it all over again, it'll be worse for you. Did you know her personally? I knew her personally. So I go upstairs to kiss my daughter, who's seven years old at the time. Good night, and she's crying. And she stood up and she goes, Why, why is my life not worth anything? She felt the conversation because I thought about her. I brought her into the conversation, and I'm like, No, no, no, no, plugie, plugie. I'm like, no, no, this was somebody that I was doing this. I'm so sorry. She goes, Okay. And then as soon as she went back to sleep, and she probably was not even awake when she told me that. And the next day, Dr. Juli slipped over calling, she says, Do you want to share an office? I'm like, Yes, yes, I want to share an office. And we've been we've been together longer than most marriages. She's one of the best psychiatrists. We've been together longer than most marriages. We've had the same office since 2014.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Wow. Yeah. Where are you starting to office? Right. It's just right on the corner of Rosecrans in Highland.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

Yeah. Oh my gosh, that is that is so. Do you think? I mean, have any of your children uh exhibited? They do.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

I'm just wondering if it is. Yeah, my son finds it. My daughter, like her and her very smart, funny friends, will all come home and they'll have all my card decks. We'll be reading each other, which is so funny. Like, she loves it. She'll come and she's like, okay, yes, we'd play yes or no. So that way I don't have an attachment anymore. Yeah. And I'll say, you know, think it in your head, and then I'll give her yes or no, or if it's I've better pull some mate so maybe. And I'm like, and then she's like, Well, it's about my test. I'm like, okay. And like, I'm getting, and believe me, I don't know anything about what she studies because she's like, Well, I'm doing something with dynamics. I'm like, well, just be dynamic. Like, just look at just the cut. She goes, What? And we'll just look hot because you'll feel better taking the test. And she actually did that the next day. She got she didn't wear sweats, took and she said and she goes, I did help mom. I know my husband wanted to kill me, but anyway, yeah, it's um they do have it. They just they it's not that they fight it, you know. I took them to Agape, I took them to Monsignor, you know, I took them to the Mormon church. I took them out. Like, I will go wherever you want to go. I want you guys to experience this. I want you to have something, yeah. Like, I want you to believe in something that's more than just this.

SPEAKER_04 32:55

Yes. And so, because you were Mormon, where do you stand now with your spirituality? Or are you like, Do you have a religious affiliation? Because and and is that do your gifts kind of like make that deeper, or is is it like conflicting?

SPEAKER_02 33:12

So it's deeper. It was conflicting at first. I was so angry that I felt it was so like my fights with my dad over profiting like dark and like and actually it's a great the people in the church are wonderful. My dad was a Mormon bishop before he passed. He was like, I panicked when he became Warren Bishop. I'm like, how long do they all live their, you know, you're supposed to be in Mormon Bishop for six years, he was a bishop for a year before he passed. And so I knew that was like the last thing, and I started panicking over it, but I couldn't figure it out, you know, right? There's no way I could have stopped it, but that's a whole different issue. Um, but I I have to be in a good place, I have to spiritually be in a good place to do this work, and you end up loving everything. Like I love wanting to be. He's a joke, he's a witch. Like, in no, don't take the wrong no, he is he has this to the fullest extent, and we we both end up in some places at the same time. Well, you know, he's love, you know. He's all that so I love Jesus out of the you know, out of the context of the Bible. Like I I fell back in love of so many things. Like Mary Magdalene has a huge, huge, huge, I have a huge love for her. I always have same with Mother Mary, like my heart gets really warm when I mention Mother Mary. And every single night I always say, I'm so grateful for working with the divine. And so I think that churches, some people like there's too few thousand people on that 405. Some people just want to be told what to do and where to go, you know, and then others kind of take I always tell my dad's I'm gonna get to the same place a different way.

SPEAKER_04 34:55

Yeah, you know, yeah, it's just so through your through your gifts, and this might be like well, I'm just gonna ask it, just does does Jesus or anyone come through like that, or is that more like you know? I have felt him, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

And I cried, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:13

It is something that's because that's who I I feel that everyone has access to him.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

People just don't know what they do, and his love has shown me. I mean, if we just loved our neighbors, we wouldn't be going through all of this. Exactly. Golden rule, yeah. It's kind of simple, right?

SPEAKER_04 35:32

It's so simple. If everyone abided by that one rule, this world would be just it'd look different, like very different.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

Like so the connectedness, everything's within us. Whenever I work on cases, it's nothing outside of me. I go inward. And so I know this is so do we all have it? Everyone does. Okay, everyone is a born of this innate intelligence. I just ended up having it on super crap because of my because whether I've charted that or whether that just happened naturally doesn't really matter. I know that this was my path. Um, but everyone has this, and people are gonna be more connected, they're seeing more, things are coming out more. It's like a four-minute mile. If I can do the four-minute mile in my work, so can others.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

So, are you saying because there's there's intuition and then there's psychic ability. So, like, can intuition lead to that? Absolutely. Really, yeah. And is that just by just practice and like it's belief.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Belief in if you your brain is so powerful, it is the it is the block of everything. So there's a few things. If if you really wanted to run in your intuition, you have to believe that you can, first and foremost. You cannot have projections, you cannot have fear, you cannot have judgment. And that's years to get rid of. And so I think part of the reason why I was called to do crime work was because I never never would have anything bad happen to me. So I didn't have projections, I didn't have fears. I just would get in, but in the beginning, it would take its toll on me, some of the cases where I loved the DEA and the FBI case. And and how did that come up? Like, because they find me, I've never offered information.

SPEAKER_04 37:25

So and and when did you because you've been doing it for a long time, when did you first start working with like the FBI on the 2010? So they just they knew what you're doing, they're like, hey, maybe she can help us for the body or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

So they would call they would call me up before they would go into a place and I would tell them I would say, okay, I'm like, what's the target? That's why I use names. So I always have to have a name, and I always have or whatever they called them, it doesn't matter, and then or an address, just the numbers uh locations, and then I've I always go through the front door. So I'm like, okay, we're going around back, like, yes, we're going up a couple of stairs, yes. So I remote view and tell them exactly what so are you on the phone? Just a phone. I never have to be anywhere. I never have to see the person. And so when you've got a name and an address, do you see yes, I see? So they show me, so I'm like, I see a shadow to the right, do not touch the door, then it might be fentanyl, it might be laced with fentanyl. So my job for the last 10 years has been to keep them safe because they would send in Daleks first. Because if they got right, and they would know. So like save the docs, replace the docs, yeah. Um, and it was a trust factor. So over and over it kept getting better, and they're like, and then I kept then I started teaching them like this is what you have guys have to do. And like, for instance, um, there was a case, and it's never convenient to get uh murdered, like a case ever. Yeah, I was on shrimps once when I take that the biggest. Did that help you? I would most never dark, but yes, they called me in on the biggest bust in LA. They called me in on a Tuesday, and I'm on a yacht out in the middle of the group. I was just funny. I privileged problems. It was my husband's six months, you know, however. And so and I forgot that we took a bunch of drums that day. And so I'm looking at the mirror and I'm seeing five of me. And they called me up. I'm like, oh, it's Tuesday, it's not Monday. I answered it, so I thought it was just a personal phone call from one of my agents, and she's like, um, Jennifer, you're on the whole squad. I'm like, what? I'm like, you guys only bust people on Mondays, it's Tuesday. She goes, and they all start laughing. And I'm like, okay. And I told them exactly what was gonna be. I'm like, hey, and I started seeing five of me. I'm like, hey, you know what? I've been on a boat for quite a while. Can we reconvene tomorrow morning before you go out? Yeah. And I'm like, and I'm like, and by the way, you're gonna have to tackle somebody, you will have to run after somebody. But I started laughing, and they said, and I'm like, but it's gonna work out, don't even worry about it. She goes, Okay, I'm like, make sure you have six reps warrants. And we're talking, there was a hundred agents that were that were deployed the next morning. It was the biggest bust in LA.

SPEAKER_04 40:07

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

And so the next morning, I'm like, okay, I'm sure. And the same information. And sure enough, they busted six people. They, the thing that mattered the most to them was the agent that I talked to. She hadn't chased the person, but he was so fat he tripped. So I didn't know what happened, but I just laughed, you know, and I was laughing. But yeah, that was kind of funny. Uh they just found me for the last you know, years, and I worked the same squad. They were like the drink squad. They'd now disbanded someone to be able to play different places and they're very so they're all over, they're all over.

SPEAKER_04 40:41

They're all over. And so you just randomly just get calls.

SPEAKER_02 40:43

It's not like yeah, somebody connected me instead of being the Biden administration over Gunter Case. Like somebody, the people that I've worked with just tell people. I've never one of the biggest complaints that law enforcement gets is that they'll have the missing person and they'll get a thousand phone calls or no say that they're psyched yet. Like, we just don't have the power to do it. You know, the and so each one, yeah. Yeah, it and it to me, it it taught me so much about getting out of my fear, getting out of judgment. Because if I had and one day some I felt something that said, Hey, you know what? Um, you're not God. And I'm like, What? What are you talking about? I'm like, looking out, I know I'm not, and I told them why are you judging? And they're like, there's an equalizer out there. And I got this calmness, like, just do your job and get out. It's not your job to make anybody believe in anything. It's your job to give the information and get out, and that way you don't take it with you. Do not judge the perpetrator, do not judge the situation. The only way that you're gonna get clear information is if you don't, because if you even judge the victim, you won't get information. Yeah, and it taught me a valuable lesson, you know, and to even take it into my private practice. Yeah, I mean, what what a gift to live like that, you know, kind of a little bit my goo ish and picking up and picking up cues.

SPEAKER_04 42:14

Yeah, I mean, it's so true. Like everything is so simple, you know, when you just boil it down to like just love one another, become the observer, don't judge, become the observer, like love yourself and be present, yeah, be in awe, you know, like all these things you're saying, because that's that's what you know brings joy. So tell me about um, I'm dying to know what your husband's like because I mean he must be so special. Um, I don't know, just to like I would imagine it's people are more obsessed with them because me. They're like, what's that like? Well, it's well, I mean, I want to know first, I just want to know like what that relationship is like and and that what it's like, you know, parenting with these gifts and yeah, being in a relationship. Because like, do you have to turn it off sometimes for those reasons?

SPEAKER_02 42:59

You know what I mean? He's very pragmatic. And you know, people are like, Well, how do you deal with that? I'm like, I need someone that's a grounder. He does all the cooking, uh he does all of the like he does all the shopping and a grocery store in three years. Uh huh. Um, we have an exchange for that, but um, I do dishes in the high hills, of course. Um he is very pragmatic. So, like when I knew that my son was having some, he's like, Well, you don't have proof. I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm like, they don't come to me for proof. They like law enforcement comes to me, I give them information that they have to go make provable. They have to go make proof out of it. So, no, no, it's mother's intuition. Just call mother's intuition, that's all it is. He's in but he would fight me, fight me, and fight me. Now this is our 25th year of being married. Congratulations, that's amazing. It's no one better me over. I thought I was gonna get married at least three times. Um But I left we have a different when you go through everything, like we fought when our kids were home. And so when they both left, you know, for schools, I'm like, we're not even fighting. This is amazing.

SPEAKER_04 44:11

Well, that's wonderful. Because a lot of times people find that when the kids think you're like nothing in common, and like that's what bounds you, and a lot of people break up after that. Right.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

No, it brought us brought us closer. And we fight like the you know, we stuff like is it different? People are like, Well, what does he think? And I'm like, you know what? I have just had to manage a lot of feelings associated. Like he takes a lot of he takes the depression of what's happening in the world. I've chosen not to. I can't, I'm not delusional about it, right? But I'm like, there's no reason for both of us to do that. And there's a you know, there was one instance that was pretty funny. We both went into Yarke East. I'm like, who are you going to march with? I'm like, she's broad. And he goes, What is wrong with you? Because he's like, you can come with us. Like it was just the funniest thing, but I went ballistic. You know, all I had to do was and I forget that that's all, you know, no, I mean, that man can't get away with anything.

SPEAKER_04 45:14

No, yeah, not really. But I mean you want to. Yeah, I'm just wondering if there's, you know, I mean, like, so for instance, you know, as a spirit, we have my three six, you know, all these things to like track, you know, I I really try not to do that. Like, I just feel like my kids, I unless there's a reason that I'm I'm really worried about them.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

So they can go this is a this is very interesting. So I've worked on a lot of human trafficking cases. I look, I've looked for hundreds and hundreds of girls that have gone missing. So my extremes are extreme. So my daughter went into um, I don't try to microman, I give her like she doesn't have to hide anything from me. But I'm like, can you please leave this on because I know you're going to school, but I need to know. I'm like, can you take a picture before you go out of your outfits? Because she goes, I know, mom. That's the last thing police ask you is what were they wearing? So it became a joke. She would take a picture every and I'm putting a book together for her, actually. Every time she'd go out. She knows I'm not trying to be controlling, I'm not, but she knows I have this fear. Yeah, and so she would take a picture of herself. I'm like, Can you wear more clothes? Is it a cold out there? Like she's like, Mom, you promised you wouldn't, you know. And it just she loved it because she couldn't wait to tell me what her night was like. And then she would tell me when she was home. To this day, she's graduating this year, she still does that. And then, but before she has a boyfriend now, but before she's like, Well, what if I'm not home, but I'm safe? And I'm like, fuck. I didn't think of that. Yeah. I'm like, okay, I'm still gonna like on the screenshot just in case, yeah. But that's my worst fear. It was my worst fear of her going missing, and it doesn't make any sense because of all the things that we deal with. Yeah, I mean, so I would actually encourage it, makes it an open conversation with your daughters and just say, you know what? I have nothing, I'm not trying to control it. It may be not she knew that.

SPEAKER_04 47:04

It was yeah, I mean, all my kids have it turned on. I just try not to like yeah, see where they are all the time, you know. Right. Unless I have a health reason, yeah, unless I have a reason to. So I have so so can you turn off because I I had a friend, you know, who's that is no longer with us, um, who had that gift, and I just I just remember it's just like really hard because you're just constantly, you know, getting inundated with information. It's like do you have to learn tools to turn it off? Like, how do you still find peace?

SPEAKER_02 47:40

I don't turn it off ever. I would never want to turn this off, but I don't go around reading everyone. Yeah, that's the only difference.

SPEAKER_04 47:51

So there's a way to not do that.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

There's a way, I just don't like my daughter's afraid to hug me. She thought I'd come into her dream state. I'm all bleaky, like I don't have it in me, you know. She had because she's like, I don't want you know, like I could see that was the whole other thing. I was like, Can you guys come here for a second? Like, if I thought one of them was lying, you'd have like rid of attractive. So I would go over there and I'd touch him.

SPEAKER_03 48:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

And I'm like, You want to give me your best lie? Then I'd say, give me your best lie. If it makes me laugh, then I might let you go. And so they went, but I could sit and go try to clear their heads as if that was gonna get rid of whatever they were trying to do. Right. But um, sorry, what was the question? That's I think the question. No, just saying, because can you because you said you choose not to read people?

SPEAKER_04 48:33

You're like, you just don't read everybody.

SPEAKER_02 48:35

So when they were in kindergarten, I knew somebody was being lost in the class. I'm like, I can't do this, I can't be in there. So I started offering the teachers. I'm like, listen, whether you believe this in or not, my volunteer work, you have enough moms that are crazy, they wanted me in the classroom. It's not fair for me to be in there. Yeah, I can't control it. I can't. That's the one thing I cannot block is children. I can't block what's going on with them. And so from the time of my kids were, you know, from a kindergarten, all the teachers still came to me. Every single one of them came to me for readings. And that was my volunteer work. That's how I felt good about being able to do that with our community. Yeah, because I couldn't block the kids. No, of course not. But everything else, um, I just I just have a practice that I just don't do that unless they start talking. If people know, like my friends know me, they they're they don't hang out with me for that. Yeah. But when they start talking, if I give something that contradicts what they're saying, like, hey, I might want to look at this, you know, they're more than happy to, but I never, I don't ever want to have to be in a place that I feel like I have to gift that place. Right. I just want to be able to do it like that. Yeah. Every single and that's I just don't turn it off. Yeah. And the way I find peace is by talking to my own guides, talking to my own team.

SPEAKER_04 49:54

And probably going down the ocean.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

Yeah, like what am I missing, or who should I call? I'll get pictures of the feelings. I'm like, oh, okay, I need to do that.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

And do you is there ever a time that you wish you didn't have it?

SPEAKER_02 50:13

Yeah, but I probably can't say it on the air. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a few times where um before I was married, and I didn't even know what I had. But it was, you know, after being intimate with somebody, yeah. And then just went, oh no, oh no. And then trying to fight like all the like it just that was very because once you have an attachment to something, it's very challenging to get away from it too. But yeah, there's I've never been upset for having it, I guess. Um my cross to bear is the fact I couldn't save my parents, and I have saved people. I not that I've saved people, I've been an instrument of getting information to save them. And when you say save them, so I had a very well-known family call me up and they asked me to look at the father who was in the hospital, and he's very well known. And I told him what was going on with them because he wouldn't say it to anybody.

SPEAKER_04 51:15

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 51:16

And the family told him, they told the doctors, I'm like, you have to find the blood clot in the right leg. If you don't find it, he's gonna he's not gonna make it. And the doctor said, No, there's no blood clot. Five days later, they found it in the right leg, exactly where I told him it was. It saved his life. Yeah, and so but my parents, my dad have been grounded cancer, and it saved them. I knew he was sick, but I didn't know why. And I took the doctors for what they you know, they didn't know that it was too late. Could I have saved him? I don't know, but that's you know, and then my mom. And so there's things that you know, but that it has made me understand what grief means. I never really knew grief until then. Not probably really absolutely working. I wanted to quit my orchestra. My dad like he took because we were so close, and like you took the most beloved person. I'm like, how could you do this? I'm like, but if I I'm in the one job, then if I didn't, if I quit my job and I'm gonna be able to talk to my dad, kind of thing, yeah, I'm gonna open it up. And so I'm like, this just it just and then every person that came in, their dad was named Jim, or there was pancreatic cancer, so it was obviously ripped off and ripped off and ripped off. And so I just had to learn to, and then my own judgment again, when you have judgment, you don't even get lung ones, you can't feel them. So when you're breathing, if you have any, if you have any like if you feel bad that you weren't there when they passed away, that will stop you from feeling them. They're there, but that will stop you from feeling them. Really? Yes. Yeah, you have to get a lot of that. Yes. Wow. Yes, it makes it more challenging because you don't believe that they're there. There's some part of you that doesn't believe that they're there. Even in your dream state, I have to wake myself up in my dreams. I get a lot of information. They actually, I'm in the adultist state when I'm doing this work, which is the dreamless state. The only time they've ever seen this is with people that have enormous head injuries that they put into comas to get into the delta state. And so I'm in that the whole day, my whole day at work. So my aura ring at one point, my other aura, at one point would show that I'm asleep at work and that I have insomnia at night. And it was the complete off, yeah, everything like melatonin, aura ring, literally, yes, shows that I'm asleep. That's insane. It's insane, right? And so when they did a brain scan on me, same thing happened. Like, how could you be awake doing this work all day? And that's why I don't remember things that come through me. They just come through me when they go. So people will come up, I'm like, you guys, I'm not gonna remember what I say, but come up to me and say, You're not gonna remember this, and I'll be so excited to hear about it. You know, that is but oh my gosh, so you're you're always in that state. I'm ghost on awake. Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_04 54:09

Oh, Blake. Oh blank, you coined. It was so good. Let me let me ask you a question just about okay, so is there a heaven? Like, do you believe that there is a heaven? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 54:22

I think it's very interesting because people ask me all the time. Yes, one of the questions about sure. Like, is my dad in category? Is this person in heaven? And I had one father say, My heaven was on earth with my family.

SPEAKER_04 54:37

You share that with us that I'm corrupt, and that brought tears to my eyes. Because I actually that probably leads into my next question. My next question was gonna be what have the dead taught you about living? Everything.

SPEAKER_02 54:50

Yeah, no one from the other side has ever wished they would have held back from that kiss, that love, that trip, that like nobody shows me money, nobody does, yeah, unless unless they're going through a dispute. Then they're like, okay, there's something going on with the house or there's something going on, but no one shows me. They might love cars, they might have collected cars. The only time they show me houses or homes is if the mom made it homey, but not for the wealth right.

SPEAKER_04 55:21

Something they do. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

Nothing, nothing. So I've learned a little, I've learned everything. I've really learned how to love because of it. I was so guarded, you know, um, before because I felt like I had to be, because if I wasn't, I felt like I was gonna break from all the stuff. Because if I really looked at my day, what no one can spend even five minutes of what I deal with in certain ways. Um and I had to learn how to deal with that and everything. So the whole heaven concept has helped me so much because heaven is here. We're supposed to have it here, but it's also over there. And I've seen I haven't seen hell. I've seen hell in the hearts. It's and the thin goes on, everything is within, right? And so you're supposed to bring heaven here, you're supposed to live your best life, like what we talked about. If you love yourself, that shoots out to be loved, you know. And a lot of times we're just electronic trash collectors that are that are collecting everybody else's stuff.

SPEAKER_04 56:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

Actually, it was my friend that was thinking about her butt. Do you know what I mean? Like I was picking up her shit and then making it all my sorry Bobby. I was making it my own, I was making it my own. Yeah, we do this constantly, and we don't even know we're doing that. So I love all bodies. I love all bodies. I love all bodies, I love all bodies. I love all bodies. Yeah, to say that.

SPEAKER_04 57:03

Yeah, we're so hard of ourselves. And and so do you communicate with your mom and dad? Yeah, it took me a while. Because you said for a while you couldn't grieving grieving.

SPEAKER_02 57:14

So yeah. Um, and every time they come in, I have this huge, like who's dying? Like I would think that they're trying to warn me. And so I couldn't get a good read. I couldn't get their because I would give like which one are my brothers and sisters, or which who's gonna pass away, right now. And yeah, it's um now I can feel them, and I feel them. I we have a place, it's the beach. They used to love the water. And so I know that on one side my mom and my dad's on the other side, and if I need anything, they'll let me know, and my heart's bomb. And so even if it is about a really tough situation, it's okay. You feel I feel them. That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 58:02

And so let's because people, so there's the show coming out, yes, why not spirits? Yes, and it's based on it's based on my life. Your life, yeah. So what is that like? I mean, that is just that must be so surreal. And when when is it due to air?

SPEAKER_02 58:19

It's with how long everything takes. I mean, contracts took a year, and I didn't even realize it's for prime time, so it's just funny to me. I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't even know how to watch it. Yeah, yeah, unless it's true. Um, so right, it was it was a very surreal moment too. Uh that happened when Jessica and I were um, she dragged me to the meditation retreat with after now. Because she's like, You need to love yourself, I'm like a little f off. I'm so mad at her. I'm like, I don't need to meditate, I'm gonna stay all day at work. And she's like, You have to do it for yourself. I'm like, no, I don't. What a good friend. Totally changed my whole life. But there was a time we were at the beach, and three bats were by my head, and I'm like, knock it off, Eddie. And I turned around and they're like, Who's Eddie? Three bats just came by your head and were in Cancun on the beach to you know, after a meditation. And and I started going to the story, he was somebody that was murdered in Texas that I worked with a family, and his son was bats, and that he was also an actor. There's so many stories with Eddie Hassle. And um, so I was helping the family with the person that killed them. And and we just started talking about like, hey, it's just Jennifer, we've got to do a show. I'm like, listen, they've been trying to film like for years, and for I no family ever makes it that I it that has a very rare that they make it, and I'm like, I just don't want it because I can't say that, yeah. Like, she's like, Well, make it scripted. I'm like, what? She goes, Well, have somebody play you easy. So she formed her production company and little large, yeah. And so that just when we pitched it and they bought it. Amazing. I know, and now I'm like, I mean, I want to watch it, and so they're making me single in Manhattan Beach, which I love. Like, what does your husband think about that? I'm like, he can't, he doesn't really care. He's like they want to make sure they want, you know, they and one of my very dear friends who is the director of Ellie in Paris, Andy Fleming, he wants to be the director in the show. They're looking at different people, like people. It's funny that I actually was Cameron Diaz for Halloween with my hair up. I can totally do that. And I love her to, you know, love her. I love her. And so there's a few things that they're throwing out on two kids. So another thing. I also told him, like, you can do anything but have my kids go missing or dumb. Like, you can't even have that unless you're about to tell off my boyfriends, my parents were going, you know, about them, about them or whatever. Not my kids, yeah. I cannot no, I totally understand that. And you just can't have that out there because it's my worst fear, and even if it's on a show, it's so weird, you know, because they're like, okay, all right, then. So where's that now? And they just thought wine spirits would come down, watch it like this is the craziest.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

It was like, it is crazy, it is amazing.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:15

It's amazing for everyone to do it. It's just like, it is so fun, and you can't you literally can't spend an hour in there and not believe in what you do. It like there's no from what I witnessed, I was just like, how can anyone not believe this? It's just it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:33

Well, I started doing it differently because a lot of means a lot of me was like, why would you ever go person to person? There's so much, there's so many dead people. Like, why don't you take the chance? Like that actually they get so much more out of it. Yeah, and they get asked whoever they want, if they want somebody, or if they want to know about their kids, or if they wanted about their pets. I mean, their children who can't speak, you know, they're a year old. Tell me everything because they show up at like 18. They tell me everything, yeah. And so it's so much more fun for me to do that, but there's always a killing, there's always like always to kill their husband or their ex-husband, or like whatever it is, and so it became very entertaining. And there's no way I could have known that. And I don't get the names. The only time I know of anybody coming in is if they tell me, right. Otherwise, because they have a hork channels everything, so awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

Yeah, yeah, that's super fun. I recommend everyone going to one of those. It's just it's it's it's amazing. You'll have fun, yeah. And then you're also an author.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:32

Yes, yes. So I have I there's a couple of books called Hack in the Afterlife that I wrote with Richard Martini. And so it just talks about our he is very well connected in Hollywood. And so there's a lot of people. We have like a class over there that we do a podcast and we interview people, I guess you could say, or some people come through, and they always come through with information that we need to hear. Wow. Yeah. It's pretty, pretty amazing. Wait, is this pop what podcast is that? It's called Hacking the Afterlife. Oh, like based on the book. Oh, based on the book. Yeah. And I wanna I'm also right. I'm also right now compiling and getting a book to write. I'm about my cases. Yes, I think so. Everyone's fast. I have been doing it so long that I just I find so many other things fascinating, but there's a whole everybody loves that stuff. So again, there's both what I'm passionate about, yes, and what I'm really known for.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:34

Yeah, I guess. Exactly. So, what is the biggest misconception you think about what you do? That I could that I know everything. Yes. And another question, do people ever ask you, well, why don't you just win the lottery?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:47

That was the next thing. And by the way, I've given lottery numbers to somebody and they want a dollar, so they have them. Um, I don't get information that I'm not supposed to have. Yeah. And how many people, whoever's gonna be in front of me, they should have lottery numbers and they should have them. But it's just doesn't work like that. We get bits and pieces. So when I work on cases, like this girl went missing in Paris, and I got funding on for it, and like I start feeling things, but there's just I don't get all the information. I get information that they'll be able to figure out, but like we don't get no. I wish if do you think if I knew everything? Exactly, I would have houses all over the world. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:29

I have to ask that question because I know that that's just like one of the top questions, just not which is also one of the biggest misconceptions, right? And then um, so what do you believe happens when we die? Is it different for everyone?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

Um, it is because depending on the way that they die, but what I have learned is you close you lose your breath here and you breathe somewhere else. And this is what people forget. You actually breathe into something else in a way, and it's just different. And everybody goes through different things. Like if you are an atheist, there's nothing that's fine, but you go into a place that then um it's not hell or anything, but it takes a little while for having to show up. Because it's whatever your belief structure is, too. I mean, you've done so many studies, people feel Jesus that weren't necessarily the Jesus' numb, right? So Jesus might greet you. Your angels will what I 99% of the time, there's always family members there to greet you. No matter if you die tragically, if you die from being sick, um there's a huge group of people over there that people, souls that you might not even know here that are part of your family over there. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:56

I've also heard just made me think of um there have been all these cases. You, you know, when someone is about to pass over or they've been sick for a long time and they have this moment before they die where they see the people. Yeah. Okay, we can still. Yeah. I mean, so it's just I don't know. I just find it all so fascinating. So if you were in that room, let's say with said dying person, would you be able to also see those those spirits?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

I can see them, especially animals. I see them like, well, my own, because I've worn a witness too, but um they they show up being like young puppies, like leaving their bodies, the sweetest thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:37

Oh, and that was the other thing, because when I was at the Uncorked, there was a woman that I mean, we've done so many, but she was she was overwhelmed. I mean, I started crying because she was just crying so hard and she was just heartbroken about her cat. I think it was a cat. Yeah. And that also was so um, I think a lot of people, because I believe that animals have souls, but but some people don't. And I just love, especially like, you know, one of my really good friends just lost their dog. And, you know, I'm like, they'll always be with you, you know. And I love when that also just affirmed that belief because you you tapped into that cat. Yeah, and animals are yeah, which is just so crazy, but it's I I love that, you know, because they are so much like a part of our lives, and just the fact that they also can go somewhere, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:36

They so if you think about it, they all go back to a soul that another version of them comes right back to you. If and it shows up in a way that you I think animals are contracted to us throughout all our lives. And I think that they come to us in the capacity that we can handle them. Like it could have been a horse, you know, before it could have been this, you know. But like I have this cute little black cat that I swear was a dragon.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:03

Oh, you're your black cat that's adopted.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:07

What's your name again? Caviar. So I've been with black cats my whole life. Yeah, I didn't understand it was even associated to being one of whoever until a film crew came in, like, of course you have a black cat. Like, what are you talking about? They're like, You're a witch, you have a black cat. I'm like, what? Never once. I just have always been attracted to having black cats since I was little, and so all the names were taking up midnight, shadow. Every name was you have black cats when you were little too. Yes, yeah, and then I grew up with I just my I for whatever reason, and so this one I'm really somebody asked me about my favorite New Year's even my champagne and caviar mushrooms. Yeah, caviar.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:50

That's an amazing name. That's a great name for black cat. Yeah, that's a great name for caviar.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:56

And so when, because right now there's so much going on in the world, and I know you're saying you try, you know, you try to kind of like I don't ignore it, I just don't allow it. Yes, because I unless I could do something about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:14

Yeah, because I'm just thinking, you know, because you you obviously pick up on energy. So I was just wondering if that does just kind of like you down on the high stake ground.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:25

So like Monday when we or Tuesday, I you know, I go to I go to the water, like what can I do? The water told me to throw it in the ocean. And I have this, I check to see if animals are around because earthquakes they know beforehand. Oh yeah, they start feeling depressed before major disasters happen. So I start checking in with everything. I'm like, is this, you know, and then if I'm feeling super depressed, to if I start feeling where I can't shake it and I can't figure out where it's coming from, it's usually from something local. And so, and I also check to see if my loved ones are gonna be okay. Yeah, you know, because I get asked too by different groups and think tanks, like about the world and about what's gonna happen, you know. Yeah, if there's a possibility of a nuclear or is there um I just I just try not to take it on, but that's the only part that gets me.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:26

So I just pay attention to that. And then if I still if I don't have that feeling, then I let it go. And let it go. And I can't watch the news not because of this, but because all my cases end up on the news. So watching the news will infiltrate and give me judgment. Right. Come into your work detrimentally. Yeah, and I so and that will hinder things. Like it's very challenging for me to work with, you know. I I I donate to kids that mothers that have kids that have cancer, for instance. And they have I'm talking about young babies. And it's challenging to tell them what I see when the doctors say otherwise. But I've had to trust that, and it usually turns out that it turns out, and so I help them through each segment of whatever they're doing with the child's life. But um, to go against what is given is really hard. And so I don't watch the news for that reason.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:23

That makes sense. And I'm really curious. Do you think we have like past life? Like, because you're saying, you know, the pets sometimes they could be this. Everyone does. So everyone, so you do believe in that. So absolutely. So, so there's so I'm just trying to connect. So then there's there's having you go to this other place or wherever that is, but because you're saying that time also is kind of like a weird thing. So, like you can have different lives.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

Yeah, different lives that affect your life now. I believe that we hand you, I believe that we did something good in our past lives to be in Manhattan being to be. My husband and I say this all the time to be who we are. We did something right. So I believe we had a baton, or it could have been that we did something wrong, but we had to learn that lesson that we got right. Right. Okay. But I do, and I do feel that we come in here with stuff that I don't, it's not necessarily car that we bring in, but I believe that we, I mean, it's a boomerang on anything that you do here. You guys, I'm telling you, think well because it does come back to you. So with the whole past life thing, the one thing I want to say is that whatever you believe in is right. There is no wrong. Like if you can get out of right and wrong, too. So people that believe there's no past life, then believe in that if that's easier for you. Yeah, but I I personally believe so if the soul is the ocean and each wave is a different life, it's happening simultaneously. Each life remains the same, but it goes back to the ocean. It never energy never dies, it just gets recreated. And so we have a soul that we have all these different lifetimes that we didn't have all different consciousnesses, you know, which I believe this soul makes up of a bigger soul, God, we're emanations of don't get caught on semantics, please, or light, just call it light, whatever it is that you want to call it that you don't get crazy over. Um, it's funny because people that leave religion and hate God at first, and then God becomes love. You know, um, but yeah, this isn't it. Yeah, there's no way. Yeah, there's no way. People that are afraid to fly that have no reason to be afraid to fly, that's not from here. You know, my daughter was obsessed with 19, like the 1940s with women in the aerospace, and that's what she's doing now. But she was obsessed with reading about it. I'm more obsessed with like Richard Chin. Yeah, like where did she get that from? Yeah, like where did she get that from? But I also have, you know, my grandmother's brother went to MIT at 16. He helped, he helped develop the sonar, he did the physics on the atomic bomb. He was one of the last guys to die from cancer. So I know there's a poor lady in there. Yeah, yeah. And my husband's brother worse for now, like there's all sorts of weird connections, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:18

But isn't it? Yeah, I don't know. But I love I love thinking about that. I really love the analogy of the ocean. That's a good one. Yeah, I was able to kind of wrap my head around it. Yeah, that that's I just have having that visual helps me kind of understand that better.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:34

It happens all at once. So that's why time's not linear over there. It's linear here to be for us to be in 3D matter.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:44

Like exactly what we're talking about, the astronauts go zooming out. It's the same.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

This is our spaceship. We have the best freaking spaceship in the world.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:52

That was the greatest, that was the greatest thing ever that he said like we are on our spaceship. Really, especially now. Right now, it's just so poignant. Okay, so last question. Um, so if everyone could take one thing away about life, what would it be for you? What would be your just I mean, you kind of, I think, touched on it earlier, but just about did you love well?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:21

I think when we get over there, they don't ask you what you did wrong. I I think they asked you, did you love well? Did you love yourself enough to put yourself first to help others? Did you love yourself enough to do those things that you wanted to do, or did you live your life because you thought you should live it according to some, you know, some dictation? Did you uh hurt yourself or did you hurt anybody else? Kind of thing. Like I I really firmly believe that we can ask did you love well when we get over there? And so if that's the case, what are you holding back from? I love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:59

And I also really love that you incorporate uh loving yourself, because I think a lot of people, especially women, just put themselves last all the time. And you just your propensity and ability is is just so much vaster if you take care of yourself.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:23

If you can if you take care of yourself, it I'm learning that. Yeah, it's funny because the whole mask, you know, guys in Airline. You know why they do that though? Is because my daughter told us it's not for that reason. She goes, the kids don't die first, the parents do if you don't have the mask on. Has nothing to do with like put the mask on or something like I'm like, oh, this is a little physics major. I'm like, oh, I never thought of that. Like, it has nothing to do with you putting them in the other. Everyone quotes it. Everyone quotes it. Everyone quotes it. My husband's my husband said he goes, how can you see the kids?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:56

And my mother told me they need to be fed three times a day.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:00

Oh well, they survived the fine, the fine, the floor types on there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, that that is a good note to end on. And I just want to thank you so much for taking your time. I know you're so busy and you give so much of yourself. And I just think you are such a gift to this world. And I'm like, I feel so lucky just and blessed to have met you and cross paths with you. Thank you. Really, truly. We're better together. We are better together. And I love how you like support women. And I just think if we could all, you know, take that from today, it's just to love yourself, be kind to others, and you know, yeah, and love where you and love where you came from.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:41

Like, I can't tell you how many times I also like to thank my grandmothers who had to hold everything inside, who spent five hours in my kitchen, you know, like thank you, thank you, thank you for all the sacrifices you made to get us to where we are for sure. You know, for sure. Yeah, thank you for having me. Oh my gosh, I adore you.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:02

I adore you, I truly do. And thank you everyone for joining us today on Word. And um, yeah, I can't wait for this to come out. Yay! Oh, thank you, honey.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:13

I'm gonna give you a hug.